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when you hear john boehner and mitch mcconnell say we recognize there needs to be new revenues in the deal, that's big. >> very briefly, dana, does grover norquist though still frighten some members of the house? >> oh, he frightens a whole lot of them. that's the thing. there's two-thirds, three-quarters, maybe more of that caucus are the conservative republicans, and jared is right. the problem isn't grover norquist per se. he's an entertaining, happy warrior. the problem is there are people who are following this. there's always going to be a guy like that. the problem is how much power he is. >> the thing about grover is he's going to march in front of the parade. what matters is whether he's going to have troops behind him and some of those troops are peeling off. >> let's hope so. jared and dana millback, thank you, gentlemen, so much. stay with us. much more ahead. oh no, not a migraine now. try this... bayer? this isn't just a headache. trust me, this is new bayer migraine. [ male announcer ] it's the power of aspirin plus more in a triple action formula to relieve your tough
when you hear john boehner and mitch mcconnell say we recognize there needs to be new revenues in the deal, that's big. >> very briefly, dana, does grover norquist though still frighten some members of the house? >> oh, he frightens a whole lot of them. that's the thing. there's two-thirds, three-quarters, maybe more of that caucus are the conservative republicans, and jared is right. the problem isn't grover norquist per se. he's an entertaining, happy warrior. the problem is there...
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i hear they are in washington, mcconnell, boehner, you name it, paul ryan, democrats, pelosi, reid, they are working today. maybe it will take tomorrow and thursday off. but they know time is of the essence. they have to do this before the christmas holiday because you don't want people thinking their taxes are going to increase during the largest spending time of the year. now let's get to steve cohen which is fascinating. i mean clearly cohen is implicated in this case with this fund manager. now, has he been charged? no. here's the deal, the fund manager, worked for him, was a major fund manager at sac capital, one of their satellite divisions that dealt directly with cohen. i can't remember his name. liz: get the name right. >> help me out. get your producing team to get his name right. here's the thing, this guy says he's innocent. the real question is steve cohen. what is the future of steve cohen? and where is he? i can tell you in a major way cohen is being eyed by the federal investigators. he's been in the news a lot. we have a very interesting conversation, a deposition he gav
i hear they are in washington, mcconnell, boehner, you name it, paul ryan, democrats, pelosi, reid, they are working today. maybe it will take tomorrow and thursday off. but they know time is of the essence. they have to do this before the christmas holiday because you don't want people thinking their taxes are going to increase during the largest spending time of the year. now let's get to steve cohen which is fascinating. i mean clearly cohen is implicated in this case with this fund manager....
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see is a promise from the white house regarding entitlements and some sort of promise from speaker boehner about the top tax rate. we don't know how quickly they can get anywhere. >> thank you, luke. i want to bring in senator bernie sanders of vermont, an independent who caucuses with the democrats and he serves on the senate budget committee in congress, joint economic committee. you wrote an op-ed piece in politico saying that we must not balance the budget on the backs of the elderly, the children, the sick and the poor. but you say sadly enough that's the approach virtually all republicans and certain democrats will be advocating. how is that? >> and you just heard your media pundit tell you the same thing. look, in america today you have the most uneven distribution of wealth and income of any major country on earth. you have the top 1% owning 42% of the wealth. the bottom 60% own 2.3% of the wealth. so first question is who should bear the burden? of austerity. do you really go after medicare, medicaid, social security, nutrition programs? do you really want to throw kids off of med
see is a promise from the white house regarding entitlements and some sort of promise from speaker boehner about the top tax rate. we don't know how quickly they can get anywhere. >> thank you, luke. i want to bring in senator bernie sanders of vermont, an independent who caucuses with the democrats and he serves on the senate budget committee in congress, joint economic committee. you wrote an op-ed piece in politico saying that we must not balance the budget on the backs of the elderly,...
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speaker boehner tapped paul ryan to help get his party in line ahead of deficit talks. where in the world is eric cantor? we will talk with luke russert and martin bashir about whether or not the gop can get its frogs in the wheel barrow. >> "new york times" national editor sam sifton says why you shouldn't think about serving salad or anything before the big meal. all of that when "now" starts in a mere 180 seconds. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from heartburn 2 or more days a week, why use temporary treatments when you can prevent the acid that's causing it with prevacid24hr. with one pill prevacid24hr works at the source to prevent the acid that causes frequent heartburn all day and all night. and with new prevacid24hr perks, you can earn rewards from dinner deals to music downloads for purchasing prevacid24hr. prevent acid all day and all night for 24 hours with prevacid24hr. i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a tric
speaker boehner tapped paul ryan to help get his party in line ahead of deficit talks. where in the world is eric cantor? we will talk with luke russert and martin bashir about whether or not the gop can get its frogs in the wheel barrow. >> "new york times" national editor sam sifton says why you shouldn't think about serving salad or anything before the big meal. all of that when "now" starts in a mere 180 seconds. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from heartburn 2 or...
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house speaker boehner, corker, mccain and coburn have hint ed. >> i think those newly elected republicans are looking at the idea of pledges going into the congress and in serving as maybe a hindrance to governance. and you need to have everything considered on the table and i think the speaker's leadership in this regard will be very helpful to carving out that pathway that they're going to need, that he's going to need to strike a deal with the president. it doesn't mean that rates are going to go up but some level of taxes, whether it's through loophole closings are or whatever, the speaker considering he needs to have the leverage to have those things on the table and he can not have one arm tied hyped his back because of some pledge that was, you know, evoked by a member they ran ten years ago or certainly as we've seen new members saying, no, i think i want to govern and worry less about pledges. >> senator, grover norquist argues history would suggest otherwise, that history shows republ republicans have stood by no tax pledge, that this isn't the first time he's come to this rodeo
house speaker boehner, corker, mccain and coburn have hint ed. >> i think those newly elected republicans are looking at the idea of pledges going into the congress and in serving as maybe a hindrance to governance. and you need to have everything considered on the table and i think the speaker's leadership in this regard will be very helpful to carving out that pathway that they're going to need, that he's going to need to strike a deal with the president. it doesn't mean that rates are...
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republicans, speaker boehner has stepped forward and offered a reasonable solution of raising revenue and entitlement reform as a way of preventing the fiscal cliff. and i think -- you know, we've heard the president now saying that he's willing to come down a little bit on the rates. so right now we're in this interesting dance where we're all talking about how we'd like to have a compromise and what we're for. but what's going to be interesting is when we get into the fine print, how that's going to fall away and how the partisan lines likely will start to harden. i think that's why the president will likely go on the campaign trial to try to jostle loose, you know, some republicans but also some members of his own caucus who aren't going to move either. >> we'll find out in the next couple weeks. maria, ron bon jean, thank you so much for the interesting conversation. >> thank you, carol. >>> health care and the boomer generation. so what are the top concerns? we've got the top five next. [ male announcer ] citi turns 200 this year. so why exactly should that be of any interest to
republicans, speaker boehner has stepped forward and offered a reasonable solution of raising revenue and entitlement reform as a way of preventing the fiscal cliff. and i think -- you know, we've heard the president now saying that he's willing to come down a little bit on the rates. so right now we're in this interesting dance where we're all talking about how we'd like to have a compromise and what we're for. but what's going to be interesting is when we get into the fine print, how that's...
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we had a handshake and constructive slap on the back by boehner and obama and that's going to fade next week when they actually get into the details of what they have to come up with. there will be acrimony and disagreement. that's what i want to take advantage of when we see a rally and risk this week, i want to sell it and think next week we come back to reality. >> basically this is more of a u.s. dollar driven trade opposed to what's going on in europe. >> yeah. that's true. i also -- you can toss in there we had the downgrade of france even though s&p downgraded earlier this year and moodies did it this time. we'll see articles over the next tl three to four days and over the weekend with problems with the bailout facility when there's not enough aaa rated countries in there. you'll see more negative news out on that. >> good to speak with you. andy bush. for more currency trades, watch "money in motion." we're off this friday but back next friday. you can get your fix online. >> we are awaiting a speech from fed chairman ben bernanke later today. we'll have a preview and analysis
we had a handshake and constructive slap on the back by boehner and obama and that's going to fade next week when they actually get into the details of what they have to come up with. there will be acrimony and disagreement. that's what i want to take advantage of when we see a rally and risk this week, i want to sell it and think next week we come back to reality. >> basically this is more of a u.s. dollar driven trade opposed to what's going on in europe. >> yeah. that's true. i...
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john boehner, for instance, wants to do entitlement reform and tax reform in 2013 now. and he wants to have another trigger mechanism to make sure they take place. we're essentially going to have this whole thing happen all over again. the white house is precondition has always been, well, we have to do something before this december 31st. and i have just from talking to people in the white house and democrats and some republicans, it seems pretty likely you're going to see some in tax increases by the end of this year. that's going to happen. they're not going to say, yeah, we'll call it a day. the question is, then, what kind of entitlement reforms you have. and i think the political article got it. there's been pretty bright red lines set around social security. democrats don't want to touch that. >> gene, another battle we're having right now has to do with possibility of susan rice being nominated as secretary of state. it's gotten ugly over the past couple of days. john mccain calling her unfit for office. what's your take? >> well, you know, you've got to -- well
john boehner, for instance, wants to do entitlement reform and tax reform in 2013 now. and he wants to have another trigger mechanism to make sure they take place. we're essentially going to have this whole thing happen all over again. the white house is precondition has always been, well, we have to do something before this december 31st. and i have just from talking to people in the white house and democrats and some republicans, it seems pretty likely you're going to see some in tax...
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what is boehner's intel here? >> because john boehner is smart enough to know he needs to keep paul ryan as close to him as possible. remember, you have paul ryan is part of the young guns. so they caused a little mischief the last time we tried this. this is less about having faith in paul ryan's actual ideas and more about politics. and sort of keeping his close, keeping him engaged, busy doing something so he's not out there making mischief. >> rana, it seems maybe that conservatives are coming to grips with the notion that there may be a tax increase on upper income earners e. i point you to bill crystal saying the unspeakable. let's take a listen. >> there will be a deal by december 31st. i believe republicans will yield on top rates. president obama ran twice and won two elections. he didn't raise rates in 2009. we were in the midst of horrible downturn. they were able to bargain to a deal. i don't think republicans have the lemplg or that it's worth using whatever leverage they have to maintain rates at 35%
what is boehner's intel here? >> because john boehner is smart enough to know he needs to keep paul ryan as close to him as possible. remember, you have paul ryan is part of the young guns. so they caused a little mischief the last time we tried this. this is less about having faith in paul ryan's actual ideas and more about politics. and sort of keeping his close, keeping him engaged, busy doing something so he's not out there making mischief. >> rana, it seems maybe that...
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i would be much happier if he was spending his time on the weekend talking to john boehner, majority leader reid, minority leader nancy policy. lou: isis and the president would interrupt the congressional thanksgiving holiday just because of a national crisis? >> we need a deal quickly. listing the business community confidence decline. this makes it worse, in those circumstances it is hard to imagine the household sector will remain strong. it has hung in there so far but we will not get real growth with negative investments. this deal has to get settled quickly in my view. lou: it was striking treasury secretary timothy geithner chose now is the time to talk about the importance of lifting through infinity but that feeling that is imposed by congress. i cannot believe the treasury secretary facing all of the issues that we do as a nation and its economy, the fiscal cliff would choose now to talk about the debt ceiling, for crying out loud. >> we have the fiscal cliff and there is a debt ceiling, that does not have to come up in february or march. we have a big debt problem. the pr
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i think john boehner has been the biggest in this, putting revenue on the table. i do agree with doug and i think that we will get some last-minute deal where we will kick the can down the road. if we go to the fiscal cliff, my party will shoulder the blame. trust me, my party is losing the message game and that is why we are having a bargain right now. >> there is a larger point. bottom line, if we go into some kind of economic downturn or a recession, all sides and all parties. >> i do agree with you. when the finger-pointing goes down, my party is the one to blame. right now we are trying to put humpty dumpty back together. gerri: to that point, and to both of you, what does the republican party need to do? to change the way it is viewed, we need to do? >> we can't continue to be the party of old white men. we have to work and take control of immigration reform and we have to change our message. we have to stop the fire and brimstone. if you don't vote for us, you are a lazy mood or read it. we feel your pain, we are here with you, stick with us and in the futu
i think john boehner has been the biggest in this, putting revenue on the table. i do agree with doug and i think that we will get some last-minute deal where we will kick the can down the road. if we go to the fiscal cliff, my party will shoulder the blame. trust me, my party is losing the message game and that is why we are having a bargain right now. >> there is a larger point. bottom line, if we go into some kind of economic downturn or a recession, all sides and all parties. >>...
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. >>> coming up, speaker boehner has a great new idea. a new way to make compromise in this tax fight. he's tapping paul ryan to take a big new role. it makes perfect sense. >>> also, your john mccain hypocrisy alert is coming. he wants an apology from susan rice. is he kidding? we're still waiting on yours. >>> plus, here comes their worst night mare. we'll tell you what senate republicans are secretly saying behind closed doors about elizabeth warren coming to washington. not exactly planning a welcome party. >>> and how about this picture all over the internet? we'll explain what it's all about. >>> in a conference call, he won because he gave big gifts to target ed voters but some believe he won because of the big gift he got from republicans. [ male announcer ] what are happy kids made of? bikes and balloons, and noodles on spoons. a kite, a breeze, a dunk of grilled cheese. catches and throws, and spaghettio's. a wand, some wings, soup with good things. sidewalks and doodles and wholesome noodles. puddles and pails and yes, puppy do
. >>> coming up, speaker boehner has a great new idea. a new way to make compromise in this tax fight. he's tapping paul ryan to take a big new role. it makes perfect sense. >>> also, your john mccain hypocrisy alert is coming. he wants an apology from susan rice. is he kidding? we're still waiting on yours. >>> plus, here comes their worst night mare. we'll tell you what senate republicans are secretly saying behind closed doors about elizabeth warren coming to...
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and that's actually very important for speaker boehner because despite the loss that paul ryan had on a national level, he still has a considerable amount of clout within the house republican conference where a lot of folks will look towards where ryan goes. if ryan votes yes, that gives them enough cover to vote yes on a deal. >> the republican house conference seems to be operating in an alternative universe because mr. ryan told abc that the president didn't have a mandate. rather, he and his house gap gop have one. he said i think the ideas we talked about, i think they're popular ideas. did the election not happen? >> when they say they're popular ideas, they believe that -- >> that the electorate dismissed them and did not vote for them. >> but they believe that the issue of the debt is still one that they're very strong on, that people do not like to have the $16 trillion debt, that their policies are the best moving forward. but, look, martin, if anything else what you are seeing here is a very smart political ploy by speaker boehner trying not to allow what happened in august
and that's actually very important for speaker boehner because despite the loss that paul ryan had on a national level, he still has a considerable amount of clout within the house republican conference where a lot of folks will look towards where ryan goes. if ryan votes yes, that gives them enough cover to vote yes on a deal. >> the republican house conference seems to be operating in an alternative universe because mr. ryan told abc that the president didn't have a mandate. rather, he...
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we heard a good turn from speaker boehner. we have not seen a particular plan with respect to the other issues -- the approach we believe we should take to health care and medicare is to contain cost in the overall health care system. the per-capita increase in cost in the private health care system is running higher than in the medicare system transferring costs onto individuals and not a stress the fundamental problem. move away from a fee for service system in medicare. that is the better way to go. >> the run ideas past few that have been floating around the hill raising that trigger in terms of higher taxes for those earning a million dollars a year or $500,000 per year. how will that play? how will that play in the democratic caucus? >> people will consider various options. make sure we boost job growth and make sure we put us on a path to long-term sustainable deficit reduction. the issue is what is the revenue to cut? look at the simpson-bowles plan. look at the overall framework. look at the revenue component of how t
we heard a good turn from speaker boehner. we have not seen a particular plan with respect to the other issues -- the approach we believe we should take to health care and medicare is to contain cost in the overall health care system. the per-capita increase in cost in the private health care system is running higher than in the medicare system transferring costs onto individuals and not a stress the fundamental problem. move away from a fee for service system in medicare. that is the better...
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mcconnell came out after the talks last week, and took the microphone with pelosi and with reid and boehner at the side saying that revenue is on the table, but when the talks ramp back up after thanksgiving, is this an issue to be real negotiation or dig-in time? >> i hope it is time for a negotiation. look, if there is one thing that we learned from the president's campaign, he promised to raise taxes on the wealthy. and here is a news flash to the republicans out there, elections have consequences, and that is what he wants to do, and i'm sure he is going to accomplish some of that, but on either side when you dig in before the negotiations start, not only does it look bad, it makes the markets go up and down, and it creates instability, and insecurity among the people out here in the country feeling the pain and the brunt of some of the economic policies and the fact of the matter is that both sides need to come into it with some level of give and take, and that is how you govern and get it done, and if the president is going to ak kccomplish the polis that he did in first term that he
mcconnell came out after the talks last week, and took the microphone with pelosi and with reid and boehner at the side saying that revenue is on the table, but when the talks ramp back up after thanksgiving, is this an issue to be real negotiation or dig-in time? >> i hope it is time for a negotiation. look, if there is one thing that we learned from the president's campaign, he promised to raise taxes on the wealthy. and here is a news flash to the republicans out there, elections have...
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the biggest unknown variable here is what the republican conference is going to do and whether boehner can rally the guys to get them on board. that is the biggest question here, because no matter what they decide among the leaders, they have to get it past the house and the senate. >> and you know, there is also compromise idea being floated around right now to keep the rates the same, but eliminate the deductions for the rich. nancy pelosi making her position on that very, very clear. take a listen to this. >> is that something that is acceptable? >> no. >> nott all, no way? >> no, the president made it very clear in his campaign that there is not enough, there are not enough resources -- what you just described as a formula and a blueprint for hammering our future. >> you know, dana, if she is hardening her stance here as we watch the rhetoric, does it matter here, because nancy p pelosi, really, how big of a seat does she have at the table right now? >> no. she is, and something of a highchair at this point. she is not particularly relevant to this debate. the president was nowhere
the biggest unknown variable here is what the republican conference is going to do and whether boehner can rally the guys to get them on board. that is the biggest question here, because no matter what they decide among the leaders, they have to get it past the house and the senate. >> and you know, there is also compromise idea being floated around right now to keep the rates the same, but eliminate the deductions for the rich. nancy pelosi making her position on that very, very clear....
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. >> coming up tonight at 7:00 eastern, the president and speaker boehner act like they will steer clear of the cliff. and david petraeus comes clean on benghazi, sort of. what was really going on? former pacific police commander with his fascinating theory tonight 7:00 eastern. stuart: the management at hostess, the twinkie people says the baker's union forced the company into liquidation. the union workers blame bad management. tom, who killed the twinkie? tom: the union has a responsibility tot go and get as much as they can but not kill the golden goose, but the management whether it's general motors or whether it's hostess has a responsibility to not sign contracts and make promises they can't afford. i think it was a badly managed company. stuart: interesting. interesting. next case, black friday, one of wal-mart's biggest days of the year, now wal-mart is facing an employee uprising of sorts. a group that wants to unionize is trying to lead a protest against wal-mart on black friday, big day for retailers, day after thanksgiving. >> i think they had something to do with killing tw
. >> coming up tonight at 7:00 eastern, the president and speaker boehner act like they will steer clear of the cliff. and david petraeus comes clean on benghazi, sort of. what was really going on? former pacific police commander with his fascinating theory tonight 7:00 eastern. stuart: the management at hostess, the twinkie people says the baker's union forced the company into liquidation. the union workers blame bad management. tom, who killed the twinkie? tom: the union has a...
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john boehner was just down there at the white house on friday, it's the beginning. we want to show him if he wants to gain revenues we are more than willing to talk about closing and limiting loopholes. bill: which loophole would you close? >> we'll sit down and lay them all on the table. there are a lot of ways you can go through. we have to have reforms. what you need to do too, the structural change. you have to have structural change otherwise you're going to continue to this trillion dollar deficits sthao based on your experience in working with president obama is he willing to go for significant tax reform, change the whole problem? that would be historical. >> we will not get out of this mess without growing this economy, and the only way to do that is to have structural reform and tax reform. this isn't something that republicans have sat back on. we have passed legislation already that sets up the framework to have tax ry reform. we've passed it to take away the sequestration that he says in the debate will not happen. bee have already passed that in the ho
john boehner was just down there at the white house on friday, it's the beginning. we want to show him if he wants to gain revenues we are more than willing to talk about closing and limiting loopholes. bill: which loophole would you close? >> we'll sit down and lay them all on the table. there are a lot of ways you can go through. we have to have reforms. what you need to do too, the structural change. you have to have structural change otherwise you're going to continue to this trillion...
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you see what nancy pelosi said, what john boehner has been saying. then you go back to the president's press conference taking a pretty tough decisive tone on susan rice and then you look at what's happening and also his position on the tax increases. take all of that together, it looks like more of the same. do you sense and from your reporting are we just having people circle each other or are their feet in stone? >> i think there's still some areas where people can get to the right place. the two things i keep thinking about is the business community, i think, what steve says is exactly right. it seems like from the outside, what they want more than anything is certainty. it's not just moment to moment. it's minute to minute. it's crisis to crisis. and that is an atmosphere that's not conclusive towards optimal economic activity. this notion of trying to get to long-term stability but not having short-term austerity measures would be too depressed on consumer activity seems like where we need to end up and a lot of pressure from republicans to the
you see what nancy pelosi said, what john boehner has been saying. then you go back to the president's press conference taking a pretty tough decisive tone on susan rice and then you look at what's happening and also his position on the tax increases. take all of that together, it looks like more of the same. do you sense and from your reporting are we just having people circle each other or are their feet in stone? >> i think there's still some areas where people can get to the right...
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at 1.6 and we're talking about four total so that's 2.4 to 1.6 would be 1.5 to 1, when he was with boehner, 800, wanted another 4. >> you were in the room so you know. >> first of all, since we talk about bowles-simpson so much, bowles-simpson has a 1:1 ratio. >> it doesn't. >> i thought it's 1:4. >> it's 1:3. >> in the way the bowles-simpson frame was put out something people didn't realize was that in terms of the revenue number they weren't counting the expiration of the high income tax cuts which they proposed to get rid of. apples to apples, in terms of the way people are currently adding up their math, it's approximately a 1:1 ratio. >> erskine bowles said you should look at 3:1 in terms of spending cuts to revenue. >> i'm just saying what was in bowles-simpson. >> let's not forget about growth, we need to stimulate growth and a lot of it on the innovation side. >> david thank you, appreciate it i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again i
at 1.6 and we're talking about four total so that's 2.4 to 1.6 would be 1.5 to 1, when he was with boehner, 800, wanted another 4. >> you were in the room so you know. >> first of all, since we talk about bowles-simpson so much, bowles-simpson has a 1:1 ratio. >> it doesn't. >> i thought it's 1:4. >> it's 1:3. >> in the way the bowles-simpson frame was put out something people didn't realize was that in terms of the revenue number they weren't counting the...
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that puts her at odds with john boehner. >> could you accept a deal that does not include tax rate increases for the wealthy? we've seen talk about a possible compromise that would leave rates the same but tax deductions for high income earners. is that something that's acceptable? >> no. >> not at all. >> the president made it clear in his campaign that there are not enough resources. what you described is a formula and a blueprint for hampering a future. you cannot go forward -- you have to cut some investments. if you cut too many, you are hampering growth, you are hampering education and investments in the future. >> even thousands of miles away it appears president obama is still focused on negotiations. while touring a royal monastery with secretary of state clinton the president was overheard mentioning the budget talks to a monk. the president later clarified his comments at a news conference. >> i always believe in prayer. i believe in prayer when i go to church back home and if a buddhist monk is wishing me well, i'm going to take whatever good vibes he can give me to try to deal w
that puts her at odds with john boehner. >> could you accept a deal that does not include tax rate increases for the wealthy? we've seen talk about a possible compromise that would leave rates the same but tax deductions for high income earners. is that something that's acceptable? >> no. >> not at all. >> the president made it clear in his campaign that there are not enough resources. what you described is a formula and a blueprint for hampering a future. you cannot go...
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. >> president obama and speaker boehner sounding upbeat friday about prospects for cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. we are back with the panel. after the congressional leaders and the president met at the white house on friday the rhetoric was reassuring. the question is is it real? do you get the sense, bob, that really do see or are beginning to see a path to a compromise are they they just trying to calm nervous investors because the stock market is going down a thousand points? >> everyone is nervous about this. this is kind of the last chance. the next six weeks could be six weeks that shook the united states if they don't fix this. there clearly is a new mood, but the way they are going to solve this is kind of hostage exchange. in other words, the republicans are determined not to let tax rates go up. the president is determined or is determined to get more revenue. and it's possible to do this. the president is going along, it seems, with some idea of entitlement reform that we are going to actually cut spending. but this is, you know, they are going to have to -- th
. >> president obama and speaker boehner sounding upbeat friday about prospects for cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. we are back with the panel. after the congressional leaders and the president met at the white house on friday the rhetoric was reassuring. the question is is it real? do you get the sense, bob, that really do see or are beginning to see a path to a compromise are they they just trying to calm nervous investors because the stock market is going down a thousand...
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president obama and speaker boehner were unable to reach a debt deal in 2001. one of the by-products of the inaction was a downgrade of the country's credit rating. could this happen again? and what would it mean for the nation's financial standing across the globe? joining me is jared bernstein, senior fellow at the center for budget policies and priorities. good to see you again, when it comes to the credit rating, we've seen it happen before. all three credit rating agencies are saying you've got to put a deal together in washington, if you guys in washington don't get it done, we're going to downgrade your credit. >> we've seen this movie before. it's not a good movie. i will remind viewers that the last time standard and poors did take us down a notch, it actually didn't hurt our ability to finance our debt at all. so that was kind of blown off by the markets, but this time could be different. there's one interesting wrinkle here. i do believe that if the political discourse, which is actually sounding a little better lately breaks down, everything is dysf
president obama and speaker boehner were unable to reach a debt deal in 2001. one of the by-products of the inaction was a downgrade of the country's credit rating. could this happen again? and what would it mean for the nation's financial standing across the globe? joining me is jared bernstein, senior fellow at the center for budget policies and priorities. good to see you again, when it comes to the credit rating, we've seen it happen before. all three credit rating agencies are saying...
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after the election, boehner said okay, have some revenue. the president has moved the goalpostsment and said it isn't just revenue. it those be a specific kind. my liberal base -- >> chris: wait. he did mention this once or twice in the campaign. >> but the question is are you going to stick on what you campaign on or find a compromise in the end? if you are looking for votes in congress -- boehner may be able to get enough to go along and do a deal to get revenue from closing the deductions and loopholes. he is not going to get the people to go along raising rates. there is the rhetoric the president engaged in on the campaign and then there is reality of washington. he is going to have to compromise on that to some degree if he wants a deal. >> chris: so does he have to compromise or do republicans compromise? >> first, i don't understand where the republicans think they have leverage here. you have seen that in tent whichs not just by boehner but people elsewhere. re-knew saying okay, we are going to let there be more revenue. but the pre
after the election, boehner said okay, have some revenue. the president has moved the goalpostsment and said it isn't just revenue. it those be a specific kind. my liberal base -- >> chris: wait. he did mention this once or twice in the campaign. >> but the question is are you going to stick on what you campaign on or find a compromise in the end? if you are looking for votes in congress -- boehner may be able to get enough to go along and do a deal to get revenue from closing the...
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speaker boehner is right, the congress will no longer talk about repealing the law. i think if congress we will see pb cans raising portions of the law they think are controversial or may be able to attract democratic votes and peel back smaller pieces of the health reform law. >> what's your best guess that the the states will adhere to the deadline. mid december ito make their attentions known. >> i think it is important to note the health reform law, people have to select plans beginning in ok of next year and the plans go live in the year following. there's not a lot of time between now and then. states want to run their state exchanges we will know by december which ones are ready and which aren't. >>> ahead, getting to the truth about ben benz. a house member who grilled general petraeus on captiol hill joins us in just a moment. yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ship fedex express by december 22nd for christmas delivery. ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know
speaker boehner is right, the congress will no longer talk about repealing the law. i think if congress we will see pb cans raising portions of the law they think are controversial or may be able to attract democratic votes and peel back smaller pieces of the health reform law. >> what's your best guess that the the states will adhere to the deadline. mid december ito make their attentions known. >> i think it is important to note the health reform law, people have to select plans...
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you know, mitch mcconnell has to worry about a primary collage in 2014, and boehner has to worry about a leadership challenge from the right so there's certainly a primp on what they can do. that said, the incentives have changed, and you saw chris christie's incentive changed, and there's, you know, the fiscal cliff creates different incentives, and i think the end of -- the end of that one term goal means that different republicans will start to have different incentives which means that on immigration, perhaps on a long term deficit deal, there will be avenues for potential cooperation. whether, you know, whether it takes, you know, more ass kickings or a real statesman to lead the republicans towards a different future, i think that depends on what happens over the next few years. >> i mean, i would add that, you know, there's a real brulalty to sitting in washington, that was just breathtaking to me. as a relative outsider, going into the mill and the buzz saw of the political apparatus in washington, and i think that, you know, it's bipartisan horribleness. it's not just republic
you know, mitch mcconnell has to worry about a primary collage in 2014, and boehner has to worry about a leadership challenge from the right so there's certainly a primp on what they can do. that said, the incentives have changed, and you saw chris christie's incentive changed, and there's, you know, the fiscal cliff creates different incentives, and i think the end of -- the end of that one term goal means that different republicans will start to have different incentives which means that on...
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. >> did anything that speaker boehner said make you optimistic? was it just that urgency that you're talking about? >> well, it's the urgency, but i think the spirit at the table was one of everybody wants to make the best effort to get this done. hopefully that is possible. hopefully it is possible by the middle of december so the confidence of the markets and, most importantly, the confidence of the consumers returns to infuse our economy with demand, which creates jobs. >> you said afterwards there would be these milestones of success. how will that work? what are the goals? are there interim goals? >> well, my suggestion was that we at some point, not necessarily today, decide on what our goal is in terms of the amount of deficit reduction that we can achieve, some date by which we'd like to do it, the middle of december so this doesn't take us up to christmas, some milestones along the way so progress can be demonstrated we're moving in a forward direction. >> i spoke to senator michael bennet of colorado earlier this week. he said this reall
. >> did anything that speaker boehner said make you optimistic? was it just that urgency that you're talking about? >> well, it's the urgency, but i think the spirit at the table was one of everybody wants to make the best effort to get this done. hopefully that is possible. hopefully it is possible by the middle of december so the confidence of the markets and, most importantly, the confidence of the consumers returns to infuse our economy with demand, which creates jobs. >>...
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before hand, speaker boehner had a hard time getting some of his more conservative members to buy in to certain concrete hiatt -- compromises. going forward, we will have to see if the tea party conservatives will seem to have the same support. the president now has the upper hand and when he talks to speaker boehner he will have to take that message back and he gets a little bit more behind him. >> week and a shop with a meeting between the leaders and the white house. what is the dynamic? >> it will be very interesting to see. hopefully we will hear from them exactly what their conversation was with the president. it is unlikely that we're going to see a detailed agreement on specific issues. are we going to hear about tax breaks or how entitlement reform is going to happen in the deal? on not sure. these figures are going to be out there. they're all going to be scrambling to set the tone in the way that they want to set it. of they will have discussions like the democratic leaders also say let these are the areas where we made clear to republican leaders where we are not going to
before hand, speaker boehner had a hard time getting some of his more conservative members to buy in to certain concrete hiatt -- compromises. going forward, we will have to see if the tea party conservatives will seem to have the same support. the president now has the upper hand and when he talks to speaker boehner he will have to take that message back and he gets a little bit more behind him. >> week and a shop with a meeting between the leaders and the white house. what is the...
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that's what speaker john boehner talked about, constructive, but there's also a lot of urgency. now, nancy pelosi, we have a lot more of this interview, a fascinating interview, told me she thought they could work out this deal in mid-december. i asked her, of course, look, we've heard optimism before and this went nowhere. but there is that urgency now. americans are sick of this. this is the second time around. >> and so overnight we saw -- we saw this video of david petraeus' alleged mistress, paula broadwell, his biographer walking with her husband. it's the first time we've seen the two of them since this scandal broke. so let me ask you about the petraeus affair, which i know you've been following so closely. where does this go now? what in your view is likely to be the next shoe to drop? >> well, i think what we've learned this week is this is not over. i think a week ago when we heard david petraeus say he was resigning because he had an extramarital affair, we thought it might go away. but every day it seems like there's something new. they're now looking through those
that's what speaker john boehner talked about, constructive, but there's also a lot of urgency. now, nancy pelosi, we have a lot more of this interview, a fascinating interview, told me she thought they could work out this deal in mid-december. i asked her, of course, look, we've heard optimism before and this went nowhere. but there is that urgency now. americans are sick of this. this is the second time around. >> and so overnight we saw -- we saw this video of david petraeus' alleged...
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i also remember calling up a guy before i worked for governor romney, i worked for john boehner. i called up our didge cal -- digital guy and said tell me about twitter and he said you don't need to know that. that is not going to take off. so much of what we did was driven from the bottom up through twitter. even when toivens plane, we would go -- even when i was on the plane, jen was on a much bigger plane called air force 1. i was on hairforce 1. by the time i came back to the front of the plane i would see on twitter i already made news. >> when you say people, you don't mean people. you mean reporters. >> or people. [laughter] >>that was on the -- free to be you and me c.d. reporters are people. but this was kind of backstage conversation you were watching play out on twitter. sometimes real people. it was more important for you how the journalists were using twitter. >> it became an incredible newsing a gator. you could see now like t.p.m. more left leaning. see what they are saying. see what folks on the right are saying. folks in the middle are supposed to be saying. what
i also remember calling up a guy before i worked for governor romney, i worked for john boehner. i called up our didge cal -- digital guy and said tell me about twitter and he said you don't need to know that. that is not going to take off. so much of what we did was driven from the bottom up through twitter. even when toivens plane, we would go -- even when i was on the plane, jen was on a much bigger plane called air force 1. i was on hairforce 1. by the time i came back to the front of the...
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. >> -- john boehner says clearly not. >> it is a lot easier to say at this level of generality. it becomes harder to enacted. the number of times of with the head of the cbo, senator so and so would call me up and say i want to talk about tax reform and i would walk in and the head is one talking point which is brought in the base and lower the rate. what are you willing to scale back? mortgage interest, cannot touch that. charitable, cannot touch that. you go down the list. one of the reasons of these new ideas being attractive is a are obscuring what has to be cut back. >> there is still a hard choice there. >> we are not saying we are going to cut out your ability to deduct your mortgage but i will get to keep my ability to deduct my local tax. everything goes into a pot. everybody gets to keep their deductions but you cannot be too greedy about it. it does have to limit the amount they can benefit from it. >> that is the selling point. >> the notion here, can you do this and have the only effect of the wealthiest americans -- affect the wealthiest americans? >> the numbers h
. >> -- john boehner says clearly not. >> it is a lot easier to say at this level of generality. it becomes harder to enacted. the number of times of with the head of the cbo, senator so and so would call me up and say i want to talk about tax reform and i would walk in and the head is one talking point which is brought in the base and lower the rate. what are you willing to scale back? mortgage interest, cannot touch that. charitable, cannot touch that. you go down the list. one of...
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boehner has indicated he's putting revenues on the table. that makes it possible for us to begin the very difficult discussion about what revenues and how do you get them and what cuts and how do you make them. so we have a lot of work to do. at least the framework is some greater possibility for a positive outcome. >> last time around, republicans insisted that any new increases in revenue must be off-set by a lowering of tax rates. are you encouraged by the gop's apparent new willingness to accept a more balanced approach? >> i'm very much encouraged by it. that is what made it impossible for us to even have discussions at all up until the election results came in. as you know, president obama ran on a very explicit platform of restoring the clinton area tax rates for folks above $250,000. romney explicitly ran against that. exit polls showed half the folks who voted for romney in fact supported the obama position on taxes. the other thing that's important to keep in mind, we -- our congress actually has made a trillion and a half dollars
boehner has indicated he's putting revenues on the table. that makes it possible for us to begin the very difficult discussion about what revenues and how do you get them and what cuts and how do you make them. so we have a lot of work to do. at least the framework is some greater possibility for a positive outcome. >> last time around, republicans insisted that any new increases in revenue must be off-set by a lowering of tax rates. are you encouraged by the gop's apparent new...
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you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the cliff and get blamed for that? >> well, it's a tough situation for them. there's no question about it because as you know, the default position, if we don't do anything is for the taxes to go up on everybody on january 1st, and that's something i think both sides want to avoid. it's very interesting, the thing that happened this week to start the week, was who was the first person that barack obama met with in the white house since his election, the labor unions, the labor block, that tells a lot who is driving policy at least at the start of the second term? and the labor unions basica
you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the...
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president obama wished house speaker john boehner a happy birthday. the president said he didn't know how many candles they would need for speaker boehner's birthday. he gave him an expensive bottle of wine instead. the speaker turned 63 years old today. >> a new york businessman said tampa, florida, socialite jill kelley asked him for an $80 million deal. those are some of the stories trending as we speak on cnn.com. >> an astronaut battles parkinson's disease while flying through space. we'll show you why he kept his condition a secret and how he's doing 17 years later. [ male announcer ] when a major hospital wanted to provide better employee benefits while balancing the company's bottom line, their very first word was... [ to the tune of "lullaby and good night" ] ♪ af-lac ♪ aflac [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. [ yawning sound ] at meineke i have options... like oil changes starting at $19.95. my money. my choice. my meineke. my money. my choice. when i take a picture of this check
president obama wished house speaker john boehner a happy birthday. the president said he didn't know how many candles they would need for speaker boehner's birthday. he gave him an expensive bottle of wine instead. the speaker turned 63 years old today. >> a new york businessman said tampa, florida, socialite jill kelley asked him for an $80 million deal. those are some of the stories trending as we speak on cnn.com. >> an astronaut battles parkinson's disease while flying through...
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when obama and john boehner said down to negotiate very soon, will the gop give a little on this? will they get enough so we can get a resolution? my guess is no. i do not think the defeat was as clear enough to signal that kind of change. we do see if you people like bill kristol saying why are we [unintelligible] it is not -- the economy did great. there is a belief that there is an automatic relationship between the level of taxation on the wealthy and economic growth. you look back at american history, there is an inverse relationship over the last 80 years between level of economic growth and taxation on the wealthy. what will happen? we might sail over the fiscal cliff. that phrase invented by ben bernanke. but relax. the fiscal cliff is the kind of thing that only exists if washington allows it to happen. washington sometimes seems like a school where the teachers set the deadline and then change them. if we do still over the fiscal cliff, there are little maneuvers the treasury can do to make sure that we do not, even if sequestration actually starts, there are maneuvers t
when obama and john boehner said down to negotiate very soon, will the gop give a little on this? will they get enough so we can get a resolution? my guess is no. i do not think the defeat was as clear enough to signal that kind of change. we do see if you people like bill kristol saying why are we [unintelligible] it is not -- the economy did great. there is a belief that there is an automatic relationship between the level of taxation on the wealthy and economic growth. you look back at...
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speaker boehner has said he's open to raising revenue. he has not told us or the american public exactly how he would do it. so i do think it would be useful if he would spell it out, then we would have two clear proposals on the table to compare. >> well, it's going to be a long negotiation, it seems, tough negotiation to work things through. but i know a lot of people are hopeful that a deal comes through before the amendment of the year, sir. >> yes, indeed. again, the model, the framework should be the kind of framework that bipartisan groups have come up with in the past in terms of a mix of cuts and again, we did a trillion dollars in cuts last year, but also revenue. that's the kind of balanced approach we need to take. >> allallall right. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> friday former c.i.a. director david petraeus testified hyped closed doors on capitol hill. for some his testimony about the september 11 benghazi attack raises more questions than it answers. we'll ask two congressmen about that in a fa
speaker boehner has said he's open to raising revenue. he has not told us or the american public exactly how he would do it. so i do think it would be useful if he would spell it out, then we would have two clear proposals on the table to compare. >> well, it's going to be a long negotiation, it seems, tough negotiation to work things through. but i know a lot of people are hopeful that a deal comes through before the amendment of the year, sir. >> yes, indeed. again, the model, the...
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so boehner's going to ask for cuts to go along with debt ceiling increases as well. so this is a multi-headed beast if you will, an hydra that's waiting to be solved. it they don't have a lot of time. i think we're down to 12 or 13 legislative days before the end of the year. so there you go. let's -- a grand bargain in that short of time probably isn't going to take place. i think we can expect them to punt on pretty much all these things. >> can i ask you guys quickly about the testimony of former cia director general david petraeus as he appeared this week, yesterday. with regard to the testimony he talked about the benghazi attack. the answers he gave did not seem so sit well with the gop. but each side spinning exactly what he said to suit their interpretations. should the gop, though, lay to rest all of their complaints at this point? reid, you first. >> i don't think they're going to lay anything to rest. >> but should they based on what he said? this is the guy who was in charge. >> and i think that there are probably more things that peter king and the repub
so boehner's going to ask for cuts to go along with debt ceiling increases as well. so this is a multi-headed beast if you will, an hydra that's waiting to be solved. it they don't have a lot of time. i think we're down to 12 or 13 legislative days before the end of the year. so there you go. let's -- a grand bargain in that short of time probably isn't going to take place. i think we can expect them to punt on pretty much all these things. >> can i ask you guys quickly about the...